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ДенСяоПин
20:50, 28.10.2007
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YEKATERINBURG, Russia: Kirill Formanchuk, like almost everyone who drives in Russia, was used to being pulled over by the police and cited for seemingly trumped-up infractions.
Yet instead of resigning himself to paying a bribe, he turned traffic stops into roadside tribunals, interrogating officers about their grasp of the law, recording the events and filing formal complaints about them.
And so it was that Formanchuk became a leader of a budding motorists' rights movement, making him a familiar face when he went to a police station here two weeks ago to register his car.
The next time he was heard from, he was in the hospital with severe injuries from a beating, and the resulting outcry in Yekaterinburg has caused an unexpected burst of civic activism across the country at a time when such sentiments appeared to have otherwise withered.
Motorists' groups have held demonstrations against the police in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Yekaterinburg, and an Internet posting in support of Formanchuk has received nearly 200,000 viewings from around the country. Even the national television networks, which are under the Kremlin's control and tend to ignore news that reflects poorly on the government, have begun to focus on what happened to Formanchuk on the night of Oct. 12 in an isolated jail cell. One channel called his treatment "outrageous."
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The affair suggests that resentment toward police misconduct is so widespread that the Russian government senses that it cannot immediately clamp down on the protests, as it usually does with the political opposition. Formanchuk has become a symbol for Russians who contend that the police are poorly educated, badly trained and allowed to operate with impunity.
"Everyone understands that this can happen to them, too," Formanchuk, 24, said in an interview at a Yekaterinburg hospital, where he is to stay for at least a month with brain and skull injuries.
The tensions over the police in Russia have soared with the enormous growth in car ownership. There are 28 million cars now, three to four times more than at the end of communism in 1991, experts estimate.
More cars mean more opportunities for the police to solicit bribes, in the view of motorists' groups. The corruption also emboldens people to drive recklessly because they know they can skirt penalties by slipping money to an officer. (The typical bribe is $5 to $20.)
Police malfeasance has an especially corrosive effect on the public outlook toward government because here, as in most places, officers are among the most visible civil servants. The Kremlin, Parliament and the chief federal prosecutor regularly promise reforms, yet little has changed.
"It's time for the law enforcement services to understand that the driving public - it's a force," said a commentary in the Yekaterinburg edition of Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the official government newspaper. "To reject cooperation with it is not wise. Kirill Formanchuk, as we can see, is not going to give up."
The motorist movement in Yekaterinburg, an industrial center about 1,450 kilometers, or 900 miles, east of Moscow, is still relatively nascent, and only a few elected officials have aligned themselves with Formanchuk. But in an indication of the repercussions of his case, law enforcement officials called a news conference to defend their performance and to accuse his supporters of inciting the public.
The officials said they were investigating what happened to Formanchuk, but they denied any police involvement. They said that after he appeared at the station to register his car, he acted belligerently and was arrested. In his jail cell, he picked a fight with other detainees, who attacked him, the officials said.
They said Formanchuk was a draft dodger with serious traffic violations. "Mr. Formanchuk is provoking everybody - the organs of state power as well as ordinary citizens, as a result of which Formanchuk was beaten," said a senior police official, Adam Bogdanovich. "In fact, he is not a law-abiding citizen."
Asked whether the police had meted out revenge, Bogdanovich said, "Unfortunately, that is not the case."
He then clarified this comment by saying that there was no reason for revenge. While Formanchuk had filed complaints against the police and then posted them on the Internet, such activities did not influence police conduct, he said.
From the hospital, Formanchuk said the charges were ridiculous. He said the conflict began when he tried to use his cellphone to record his interaction with the officers, infuriating them. He said he did not know the identities of those who attacked him, but it was clear that officers on duty ignored his cries for help.
The arrest this month was not the first for Formanchuk, who was a city bureaucrat until he began working full time with his advocacy group, the Committee to Protect the Rights of Motorists. Last year, he garnered attention in Yekaterinburg by placing a sign on his Land Rover that resembled a license plate and said "Medved 01," or "bear" in Russian.
Officers detained him for the sign, which he said was legal because he had temporary registration and was waiting for a permanent one. A judge ruled entirely in his favor, a remarkable verdict in a system that is typically stacked against defendants.
"After my first encounters with the police, I simply myself began to study the law, to read legal literature and court cases," Formanchuk said. "And the more that I interacted with police officers, the more I understood that I knew more than them.
"I go out and they stop me. OK, I say, 'Why are you stopping me? Let's take out the law. Let's look at the legal code. Let's look at the orders that you need to follow. Let's read them together. You will understand that you are not acting correctly.' "
YEKATERINBURG, Russia: Kirill Formanchuk, like almost everyone who drives in Russia, was used to being pulled over by the police and cited for seemingly trumped-up infractions.
Yet instead of resigning himself to paying a bribe, he turned traffic stops into roadside tribunals, interrogating officers about their grasp of the law, recording the events and filing formal complaints about them.
And so it was that Formanchuk became a leader of a budding motorists' rights movement, making him a familiar face when he went to a police station here two weeks ago to register his car.
The next time he was heard from, he was in the hospital with severe injuries from a beating, and the resulting outcry in Yekaterinburg has caused an unexpected burst of civic activism across the country at a time when such sentiments appeared to have otherwise withered.
Motorists' groups have held demonstrations against the police in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Yekaterinburg, and an Internet posting in support of Formanchuk has received nearly 200,000 viewings from around the country. Even the national television networks, which are under the Kremlin's control and tend to ignore news that reflects poorly on the government, have begun to focus on what happened to Formanchuk on the night of Oct. 12 in an isolated jail cell. One channel called his treatment "outrageous."
Today in Europe
As temperatures rise, a greening of Greenland
Russians mobilize against highway bribery
15 Kurdish rebels killed in clashes with Turkey
The affair suggests that resentment toward police misconduct is so widespread that the Russian government senses that it cannot immediately clamp down on the protests, as it usually does with the political opposition. Formanchuk has become a symbol for Russians who contend that the police are poorly educated, badly trained and allowed to operate with impunity.
"Everyone understands that this can happen to them, too," Formanchuk, 24, said in an interview at a Yekaterinburg hospital, where he is to stay for at least a month with brain and skull injuries.
The tensions over the police in Russia have soared with the enormous growth in car ownership. There are 28 million cars now, three to four times more than at the end of communism in 1991, experts estimate.
More cars mean more opportunities for the police to solicit bribes, in the view of motorists' groups. The corruption also emboldens people to drive recklessly because they know they can skirt penalties by slipping money to an officer. (The typical bribe is $5 to $20.)
Police malfeasance has an especially corrosive effect on the public outlook toward government because here, as in most places, officers are among the most visible civil servants. The Kremlin, Parliament and the chief federal prosecutor regularly promise reforms, yet little has changed.
"It's time for the law enforcement services to understand that the driving public - it's a force," said a commentary in the Yekaterinburg edition of Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the official government newspaper. "To reject cooperation with it is not wise. Kirill Formanchuk, as we can see, is not going to give up."
The motorist movement in Yekaterinburg, an industrial center about 1,450 kilometers, or 900 miles, east of Moscow, is still relatively nascent, and only a few elected officials have aligned themselves with Formanchuk. But in an indication of the repercussions of his case, law enforcement officials called a news conference to defend their performance and to accuse his supporters of inciting the public.
The officials said they were investigating what happened to Formanchuk, but they denied any police involvement. They said that after he appeared at the station to register his car, he acted belligerently and was arrested. In his jail cell, he picked a fight with other detainees, who attacked him, the officials said.
They said Formanchuk was a draft dodger with serious traffic violations. "Mr. Formanchuk is provoking everybody - the organs of state power as well as ordinary citizens, as a result of which Formanchuk was beaten," said a senior police official, Adam Bogdanovich. "In fact, he is not a law-abiding citizen."
Asked whether the police had meted out revenge, Bogdanovich said, "Unfortunately, that is not the case."
He then clarified this comment by saying that there was no reason for revenge. While Formanchuk had filed complaints against the police and then posted them on the Internet, such activities did not influence police conduct, he said.
From the hospital, Formanchuk said the charges were ridiculous. He said the conflict began when he tried to use his cellphone to record his interaction with the officers, infuriating them. He said he did not know the identities of those who attacked him, but it was clear that officers on duty ignored his cries for help.
The arrest this month was not the first for Formanchuk, who was a city bureaucrat until he began working full time with his advocacy group, the Committee to Protect the Rights of Motorists. Last year, he garnered attention in Yekaterinburg by placing a sign on his Land Rover that resembled a license plate and said "Medved 01," or "bear" in Russian.
Officers detained him for the sign, which he said was legal because he had temporary registration and was waiting for a permanent one. A judge ruled entirely in his favor, a remarkable verdict in a system that is typically stacked against defendants.
"After my first encounters with the police, I simply myself began to study the law, to read legal literature and court cases," Formanchuk said. "And the more that I interacted with police officers, the more I understood that I knew more than them.
"I go out and they stop me. OK, I say, 'Why are you stopping me? Let's take out the law. Let's look at the legal code. Let's look at the orders that you need to follow. Let's read them together. You will understand that you are not acting correctly.' "
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|'m g3Hucka :P
21:16, 28.10.2007
буду хорошим мальчиком и переведу
m
|'m g3Hucka :P
21:16, 28.10.2007
[Сообщение изменено пользователем 28.10.2007 22:24]
D
DENSO DENSO 
21:29, 28.10.2007
Про медведа пишет International Herald Tribune
и коряво пишет, надо сказать
буду хорошим мальчиком и переведу
лучше уж оставте оригинал - чем такой перевод...
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|'m g3Hucka :P
21:53, 28.10.2007
а че нормальный перевод, я все понял
Пэ.эС. переводил не я, а словарик на компьютере
G
Guilty
21:57, 28.10.2007
буду хорошим мальчиком и переведу
Так переводят только очень плохие и глупые мальчики. Либо контуперный моск. Вот промт еще похоже переводит...
:-)
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|'m g3Hucka :P
22:24, 28.10.2007
ок, ща сотру, сами переводите
S
S.T.A.N. 
09:05, 29.10.2007
Ну, короче, он (форманчук) свой билет в Бельгию получил как "узник совести"
Z
Zanders
09:52, 29.10.2007
Короче или переведите или удалите эту тему..-))))
12:01, 29.10.2007
Короче или переведите или удалите эту тему..-))))
15 Kurdish rebels killed in clashes with Turkey
пятнацать курдских боевиков были убиты в стычке с турками
e
eureka
18:48, 29.10.2007
Хороший образчик, взвешенно изложены позиции обеих сторон конфликта, без эмоций и домыслов - только факты, которые известны доподлинно. Жаль, что многие авторитетные российские СМИ вообще обошли эту тему стороной, а тем, что не обошли, до такого профессионального изложения материала, как до Луны...
Б
Будущий
19:12, 29.10.2007
а вешать на свою табаранку номера и всякую дербень - заслуживает ниуваженья.
Каким образом это меня или кого бы то ни было затрагивает?
20:15, 29.10.2007
Уважаемые коллеги!
Думается, что тема не для данного форума. Правовой составляющей для обсуждения не вижу. Если обсуждение будет продолжаться в той плоскости в какой идет сейчас (без обсуждения проблемы в правовой плоскости) тема будет закрыта.
С уважением, Георгий (Вилыч), как модератор.
Думается, что тема не для данного форума. Правовой составляющей для обсуждения не вижу. Если обсуждение будет продолжаться в той плоскости в какой идет сейчас (без обсуждения проблемы в правовой плоскости) тема будет закрыта.
С уважением, Георгий (Вилыч), как модератор.
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|'m g3Hucka :P
22:12, 29.10.2007
думаю ее изначально стоило закрыть, так как мы вроде в России живем
ч
чека
22:32, 29.10.2007
думаю ее изначально стоило закрыть, так как мы вроде в России живем
Угу, и пользоваться только российскими компьютерами и российскими сотовыми телефонами.
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